Although the thicker case webbing reduced capacity, new powders allow the .338 Marlin Express to achieve velocities similar to the .338 Federal with significantly lower pressures. I sent my 1895cb .45 colt in because it bulged cases. How big a sh*thead do you have to be to f*ck up a decades old, proven design? Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. The Marlin sign is still there. So its a double fail: failure to verify drawings before they bought the company, and a big fail in taking 4+ years to produce drawings for what amounts to a handful of relatively simple machines. While they lack the primary extraction power of the 98 Mauser and its derivatives, they can bottle 60,000 psi without strain. Saw a guy on the homegunsmith forum had made one, albeit it used a conventional cartridge (a modified .40 S&W). Winchester later repeated their error when they introduced the .356 Winchester, a rimmed version of the .358 for the Model 94 Big Bore rifle, also loaded to a MAP of 52,000 cup in order to maximize ballistic performance, with a similar lack of success. A rifle version added inches and ounces. Used. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Seller: AJGUNSNSTUFF ( FFL) $999.99. It covers the niche left by the semi-moribund (but excellent) .358 Winchester and covers it a bit better in the opinion of many who've used both. I wonder how long until ammo makers stop producing these two cartridges? When I compare the quality of the older 1895G to the Remlin 336BL I wrote about above, it really is night and day. Keep your Marlin Im going with Henry for all my lever needs. It is chambered in Marlin's Model 338MX and 338MXLR rifles using the Marlin Model 336 action. It would have made no sense to send it back into that kind of QC trap again..not when I have the resources to fix it myself. Fit and finish is solid, accuracy is very good, 500+ rounds through both rifles with NO malfunctions shooting everything from standard CCI, Remington Golden Bullet, Federal bulk,Winchester X, and CCI Mini-Mag. But after walking into my gunsmith, and his first words out of his mouth when he saw I was holding that Martin xt was, front sight ,cant fix it got to be sent marlin for a new Barrel . It's functioning now but the taste left in my mouth of how bad it was and the grief it caused in the field still remains. For everyones information, as a mechanical engineer with 30 years of experience I can tell you that NO ONE makes production-line mechanical devices without properly dimensioned and toleranced drawings. Gussying-up a gun of questionable quality will rescue Marlin from its ten-foot-pole exclusion zone amongst knowledgeable consumers. Actually, the .338 ME may have an edge on the '06, as few factory .30-06 loads clock the claimed 2,700 fps. . After that point the .338 Marlin Express's projectile retains more energy than even the .450 Marlin. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. There is a remedy for this, but it involves taking a stone to the loading gate spring and removing metal until the tension suits you which of course will void the warranty and make the part more likely to break. Their Henry original is the rifle they should have designed in the first place, and Id buy one, but not at $2300. Now that I have made the necessary repairs to the magazine and forend and improved the sights, I have a pretty darn good general purpose truck gun / deer rifle/ hog-slayer / whatever you want to call it. I have a Marlin 795 that has run well in the 100 rounds Ive fired. The wood is crap. During the last such .308 famine, I saw lots and lots of .30/30 ammunition sitting on store shelves all by its lonesome. Those stories you here about Remlins jamming right in the store are true! At 300 yards, the .308 ME drops roughly seven inches, the .338 ME drops eight. Next step will be disposal. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. His second shot, parts fell out of the bottom of the receiver. 338 Marlin Express 200 gr FTX LEVERevolution Item #82240 | 20/Box US Patent: 9,513,092 | 8,443,729 | 8,413,587 | 7,380,502 LEVERevolution represents a breakthrough in ammo design for lever action rifles and revolvers. They got back to me 2 weeks ago, saying my rifle could not be repaired and they would sent a new one. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. Each rifle was for all intents and purposes a custom build. Id be concerned about safety. I was sad when I drove by the closed Marlin plant a few years ago. Machines were held together with what amounted to little more than Band-Aids, creating inefficient and costly production processes . They many times can perform very high quality operations with a good operator. Im a college educated man with a fair amount of shooting experience, and I DO know what Im talking about. The company is also introducing a Limited Editionseries, with the first rifle being a 336 Limited featuring a high-grade walnut stock, high-polish blued metal with some light scroll engraving,and the Marlin horse and rider in 24-carat gold on the left receiver panel. Never again a Ford. Wood-to-metal fit was good. I am an old man and gunsmith who has owned Marlins since the 1970s and can say unequivocally and without any hesitation that the two Marlins I have purchased in the last 2 months, an 1894 in .44 mag and a 1895G in 45-70 are as good if not better than anything I owned 40 years ago. The deluxe version of the Texan has a fancy walnut stock, machine-cut engraving, and a gold-colored trigger. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. It makes me smile to know the JM 39a I was able to aquire will be passed down to my son as a true heirloom. The older gun is a really nice firearm, with beautiful wood, nice checkering, good fit and finish, and nothing on it is loose. A huge advantage the Model 336 has over other lever-action rifles is ease of field stripping for cleaning the bore from the chamber end of the barrel rather than from the muzzle. OK, you decide how to resolve the above issue. The .338MX fires heavier .338 caliber bullets than the .308 Marlin Express at roughly the same velocity. Full Details. No. The reloader can easily reduce the powder charge to achieve O'Connor's ideal muzzle velocity of 2400-2450 fps. Sounds like you guys saved me a great deal of time. Barrel Break-In: What It Is. The .25-35 and .30-30 chamberings were added in 1895, and the .32 Winchester Special chambering followed in 1902. TTAG says, Back in the day, you had to read a gun review very carefully to pick-up any hint that a firearm was a POS.Thankfully, internet gun forums arrived to end the information blackout. The .348 Winchester carries a wicked punch at the muzzle of the Model 71, and Winchester's 1895 rifle was chambered in .30-06. Its nose extends into the locking slot of the breechbolt. . Items Per Page: Item Total: (7) 0 - 7 338 Marlin Express Full Length Series I 2 Die Set With Zip Spindle 005-546359 | Hornady $62.35 In Stock 338 Marlin Express Seater Die 044-25438 | RCBS $15.80 In Stock This was not my first bad experience with AAC the first being when the ratchet on that suppressor flew off while shooting it in a rural environment, which fortunately did not result in a baffle strike. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The scramble was on to find Marlin-built rifles, and as the sales of Remlins plummeted, various models were discontinued. To add sizzle to the steak, a "Light Magnum" type load could be given the LeverEvolution treatment. This fabulous propellant meters flawlessly and makes lever action cartridges like the 30-30 Winchester yield velocities in excess of 100 fps over any published handloads, with even greater gains over factory ammunition. View Data View Sold If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. Boise, ID. You can see from that picture that the magazine tube stud was severely misaligned with the barrel, sticking way out on one side. I managed to get it sighted in eventually using Burris rings and still had to shim. My second Model 336 was the Texan with a straight-grip stock, which was the standard version. How hard can it be to make a slightly more pliant spring? Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. forcing Henry to get even better. New propellants provide maximum muzzle velocity at conventional pressures, resulting in flatter trajectories and more downrange energy. Your integrity would be better served by mentioning Gun Tests (http://www.gun-tests.com/), which goes back a ways, and whose honesty in serving gun owners is beyond reproach. I went on the Marlin Owners Forum and reported my problem. The Model 336C (MSRP: $635) in .30-30 or .35 Remington is the most popular in the line. The transitions drained nothing from the mechanism's sleek but Spartan profile, its slick cycling and gunny feel. Your statement dismisses them as if their getting shafted by Remlin is of no concern. Marlin and Remington is probably run by accountants. So, in terms of killing power, the .338 Marlin Express is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard deer cartridge with the Hornady 200 grain flat point bullet at a MV of 2400 fps. First Focal Plane vs. Second Focal Plane Scopes Explained: Which is Best? My guess is it was a marketing move because it rolled off the tongue a bit easier. Wants 550 for it. Because of this, I own a Rossi 92. Yes, back when Marlin had a little thing called pride in workmanship, and quality control. A huge advantage the Model 336 has over other lever actions is that its design allows easy removal of the bolt and ejector for cleaning the bore of the barrel from the chamber end rather than from the muzzle. The CS guy should have copied a page from that book. Hornady's great contribution to that hardware has been the "flex-tip" bullet in LEVERevolution ammunition. I have a Remlin 1894C I picked up in 2012 after looking a LONG time for an affordable example on the market. Cheaper, good fit and finish (not great or perfect). When I contacted them about the problems; their attitude was that I didnt know what I was doing or that I had buyers remorse. Its practical effective range on CXP2 game would be limited by its trajectory. They didnt do ANY of that. I received return It was a huge mistake to move the Marlin manufacturing to NY. The cartridge uses a slightly shorter, rimmed case to function in lever-action rifles with tubular magazines. When Marlin's 1893 became the Model 36 in 1937, it sold for $32 to hunters emerging from very hard times. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. The edges of the wood where it joins the receiver are not fit well, the gaps are uneven and sometimes one stands a little proud of the other. HIGH STANDARD SHORTY MODEL 6551 M-4 AR-15 556/223 16 INCH CHROME BORE HAS A2 FRONT SIGHT WITH. Give a Gift Ramp up production on the .357 and .44 mag carbines to bring them to the same price point as the .30-30s and you will make a lot of people very happy. Glad I looked here before buying one-which I almost did today. Access features of the Reloading Handbook on your mobile device with the Reloading App. This would give lever-action hunters improved performance over their .30-30 Winchester rounds. . We often add layers of defect detection during this period and theyre usually added as the permanent corrective action for something that already went wrong (i.e. First of all, 3D scanners have some (0.002 or thereabouts) fuzz around most dimensions. January 2015 edited January 2015. The patented Flex Tip technology of the FTX and MonoFlex bullets provide higher ballistic coefficients and velocity increases of up to 250 fps over traditional flat point loads while still providing shock-absorbing safety in tubular magazines. I can get used to how it loads. took over. Of course, it has a flexible tip.". Once poster at Marlinowners said it took him eight months to get his defective/repaired gun back, and only after threatening legal action. So how many people did they screw of out hundreds of thousands of dollars for the defective guns? Says JM on the barrel. No way. freedom group is too big, they have avialibility to shut down most gun makers as we know if they decided tootoo scary. Doesn't bode well for this cartridge either. Therefore, FG moved the crap equipment and left most of the craftsmen behind. Ergonomics and fit and finish are just about perfect. My experience is just one of many. After spending some money at the gunsmith to try to get it straightened out, I finally had to send it back. With the action closed, the rear of the bolt hangs out a hair proud from the receiver "We used the Steyr hull as a model but didn't make the new round from that brass.". I found it in the closet cleaning out my grand parents house in 1993. Glad I ran across this site. Its trajectory is similar to the .30-06 Springfield.[3]. The 338MXLR differs from the 338MX in that it has a longer barrel and an American black and grey laminated hardwood stock. But the curve has a broad, gentle top, not a sharp peak. I wanted to send the out-of-spec unit to them for an exchange, and he gave me some song and dance about how it was just going to sit on his desk for a week or two, until he had time to go down the street to the machinist they use to fabricate these things, and have him check it. That kind of inattention is going to kill Marlin off if they dont get a handle on it. It had a problem with the half-cock safety. They also made a .338 Marlin Express at one time, designed to try and duplicate .30-06 performance. Its been that way since World War II, when draftsmen did the work on vellum (how I learned). The Marlin Model 1893, which was introduced in 1893, was essentially the companys previous side-ejecting Model 1889 with improvements and a longer action. It has a 20-inch barrel, and its walnut stock and forearm have generous checkering coverage. Having just purchased a new to me but manufactured pre sale of the company Marlin lever gun (45/70), I can tell you that the newly manufactured lever guns receive almost nothing but horrible reviews (invloving both quality control, and customer service or lack thereof). Even though Im an engineer and not an MBA, even I know that. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. At the fifty yard range I noticed another fella with a lever gun so I went over for a chat. Id have to agree the older mil-surps I have are ALL interchangeable, with no deterioration in fit or function! You get tolerance stack up on the multiple parts and the gun jams. | But then again the 1860 design had ergonomic flaws the magazine loading instead of the loading gate. The stock is just plain cheap looking. Only action dimensions limit the 99 to short, rimless rounds. With about 10% less case capacity that the .338 Federal, perhaps Hornady and Marlin could be persuaded to offer a medium bore cartridge (a ".338 Marlin Express") that holds MV to 2400-2450 fps with a 200 grain bullet (BC .250) and recoil to the 20 ft. lb. My dad, brother, and I all had 336 Marlins 35 cal. All the crap rifles should be immediately recalled. I wish they would bring back the .41 Remington magnum in the model 1894. Question of the Day: Are You Tired of Being Vilified? The .300 and .338 Ruger Compact Magnums came along just last year. . Given the time frames of the takeover and subsequent move of the plant, it appears this piece is composed of parts made in North Haven and assembled there under Remington supervision. the quality. And customer service at Reminton/Marlin is reportedly very slow. It was a brutal comparison. Well I just bought the Marlin 336BL 30/30 and I inspected it but briefly at the gun store. I paid something over $600 for a substandard rifle whose problems were not apparent until I got it home. (Remington officials later acknowledged the move was a disaster.) I own several, including the H010 brass 45-70. It's designed for the pointed gummy tipped FTC bullets from Hornady. I put it back in the box, paid, and left. So the equipment was so bad they had to move to the Remington factory, but then they took the equipment How did moving benefit the the manufacturing process again? Sometime after World War II Jack O'Connor, the Dean of American gun writers, proposed a new .33 caliber cartridge. Meanwhile, production engineers were evaluating what new modern equipment would be necessary once they knew the exact dimensions that would be coming off the machine. This round was designed with an elastomer tip, so that the .338 projectile would be safe for use in the tubular magazines of lever-action rifles. Only Marlin I still have is a .22 mag bolt action rifle that I cant shoot because theres no ammo available. The .338 Marlin Express bullet can't quite deliver the energy of the much heavier (325-grain) .450 Marlin. My father bought a Winchester 94 in 30-30 when I was kid and after one range session with it he sold it and went back to his old Marlin 336. Our first season bear tags take eight years to get. A solid hit for that round drops deer with authority. Its practical effective range on CXP2 game would be limited by its trajectory. I got my first look at a prototype rifle in .338 Marlin Express this past summer in Illinois. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). I've heard other horror stories like yours. My brothers was bought new in 1971and my dads was older, lots older, but he kept it in great shape. Ive been following this problem for about three years and was as unhappy as anyone. Good products can help. This weekend I had the displeasure of examining a couple Marlins in a shop the quality is STILL not there. I have a Marlin 1881 45-70 made in 1885 full length tube and 2 1895S that were made in the early 1980s and 1 1895 with full tube made around early 2000s. Just my two cents, ive had two pre buy out guide guns one in 45/70 and one in 450 marlin. Other problems. However, just because you have the drawings doesnt mean you can build the system to work. Its a rifle, based on a design thats more than a century old. Its been great on three deer so far. Scoped it and went to the range. As for Winchester, I have shot a couple built before the turn of the last century and while they are excellent rifles neither was as smooth or as accurate as my old Marlins. Style: R444M. At the range it jammed on my first cartridge, so hard you could not move the lever. I got the $2300 figure from their website, and I specifically noted that I was talking about the 1860 Henry reproduction, not their modern lever actions. Heres my original board posting with video: of recoil with a 200 grain bullet would defeat the primary purpose of the cartridge. The new Freedom Group Marlin managers are not only goofballs but liars, who are disparaging the old Marlin employees and the old factory to cover up their incompetence at the new plant, and in ruining the name of a good brand. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. SOLD - $529.99. But if Remington does get its act together, I wouldnt hesitate to grab another 1894. The volcanic toggle action actually lived on through the 1876 model, but finally went away with the Browning-designed 1886. This new "standard velocity" .338 Marlin Express load should be part of the more or less popularly priced Hornady Custom Rifle ammunition line. If it has a New York address on it we will not put it on our shelves, but we will order them if so asked. Why? No problem there. Its generally a 3-4 MOA rifle. They sent me private emails and said I was the problem and was somehow trying to make the gun look bad. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. It is a GREAT rifle, and an absolute tack driver.. a consistent sub-MOA performer. One rifle I racked the lever and it locked up, could not close the lever. bought marlin model 57 22 magnum gator pawn shop in florida. And in the intervening time an idiot like me buying a Ford gets crappy parts. The purchase of Marlin Firearms Co. by Remington Arms Co. was finalized in January 2008, and in 2010 Remington relocated Model 336 production from the old Marlin plant in New Haven to Remingtons New York factory. You can see a picture of it here: http://www.annoyedman.com/images/marlin336bl/Detail-FrontSite-03.png. The table below shows how the rounds compare. I will support the product until it disappoints! I was nervous about it, and cosmetically, it is inferior to my pre-Remington 336 and 1895C. Ive heard the nightmare stories. I have heard good things though about marlins new heavy barreled vvarmint bolt guns, and strangely marlins rim fire guns have stayed on the good side. both of these marlins are great shooters and have no broblems with factory ammo, any kind. Only found one used one and it had a big dent and chunk taken out of the feed tube so I passed. Even put half down at the LGS. Any resemblance between an 1860~1865 Henry and a modern one is limited to them both having levers on the bottom to open and close the bolts and a tubular magazine; The internal bits are completely different, and thats a VERY good thingthe operating pressure on a modern .22LR is much higher than that developed by a black-powder .44 Henry Flat. I consider the XS sights to be a good investment for anyone looking for an upgrade. The 450 was ok. Just went in last week to get one, wow what a pile of junk!!!! Eother way they are great rifles and worth the price for a non-FG Marlin. The second one was purchased when Freedom Group/Remington This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. That said, it operates perfectly, and she SHOOTS. But do you know how to properly use them? A screwdriver for removing the threaded pivot pin of the finger lever is the only tool required. Determined to keep the Model 336 (and other Marlin models) alive, Remington invested in new CNC machinery and the training of employees. It wasnt just loose, it was out of whack. It had taken an hour to cut the old Ballard-style rifling with the scrape-cutter method, but a barrel could be rifled in only a few seconds with the button method. Hornady already manufactured the round, with 225- and 270-grain bullets. He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns. Plus, Henry service is friendly, fast and free for a lifetime. I have a Early Marlin 45-70 Guide gun, with ported barrel and JM stamped barrel, I am in awe on how smooth the action works and how accurate it is, Flawless and I will never sell it. 308 Marlin Express ammunition for sale 308 Marlin Express for sale with free shipping on bulk ammunition orders available only at Target Sports USA. I'm not sure this new rifle in .338 Marlin Express is necessary. I want a lever gun, too, in .38spl/.357mag; but Ive been conflicted over the choices out there. The Freedom Group mouthpiece said: A. EasterBunny said>>>I have made hundreds, if not thousands of parts with no drawings. Definitely! "The .35 is just not a popular size," he told me after I suggested a super .358. Many hunters were switching to telescopic sights, so beginning in 1956 receivers were drilled and tapped for scope mounting, and an offset hammerspur was included. For those of you who want a good lever action, just log-on to GunBroker and you can find a lot of the older models looking for a new home. Theres no way a Marlin employee didnt notice what I noticed when I handled them. Had they done the right thing, they could have had good quality Remlins coming off the production line by 2008/2009 at the latest. Sir, I bought a Marlin Original Golden model 39-A .22 rifle in 1977 when I returned home to the U.S.A from New Zealand and I still have it. The 39A is a true thing of beauty and my pride and joy. . I dont care, so it isnt worth the effort to me to make it look like a presentation rifle.. which I would then worry about getting dinged up. That said, Ive ordered a Henry Big Boy Steel rifle in .45 Colt. I assured them neither and agreed to send them back the guns but didnt want a part replaced and I would end up with the same problem. I will never again buy a Marlin, regardless of vintage. The plans at NorthHaven had simply been passed down through the generations. Then you dont even have to model it. Henry is run by a gun guy. Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. The trajectory should be flat enough to allow a point blank range in excess of 200 yards. Front sight was canted to the right, checkering on butt stock looked like someone sanded it down to nothing ( nearly nonexistent ), chip in the forearm, dent in the pistol grip cap, weak rifling, should be Ballard type rifling as advertised, it actually looks like microgroove rifling, Metal finish was subpar, and wood to metal finish was also bad. Despite what I knew, I tried to get an 1895 SBL anyway. It is a beautiful firearm and made well, in America or not made at all. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. Oct 14, 2012. Looking back at it, Im probably better off that they couldnt even ship one damn lever rifle in 6 months. I have one Marlin, a 795, great little rifle, manufactured long before the move.

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