Has Ann become more in death than she was in life? It was a mistake to put it back in for Pasadena. [quote] When was the last time you heard of the woman who played Snow White? Not really but it became understood. Ms. Reinking was married four times, including briefly when she was 21, and had a six-year relationship with Fosse. Hopefully in heaven, Bob won't be so generous with his cock. Please click here to update your account with a username and password. I didn't invest in it, R445, so I did not care. She was truly dazzling on the stage. Still don't. Annie's once again riding Bob Fosse's huge cock in heaven. She could throw them around impressively. You didn't like Allen but she made that production a hit. Has Reinking herself ever discussed the Oscar debacle? Reinking married four times, including a brief marriage at 21, NYT reported. I once overheard him proclaim "She's the top!". The disintegrating, drug-addicted Fosse was played brilliantly in All That Jazz by Roy Scheider, and Reinking played her part to the full and beyond in her performance of unbridled eroticism. That's Meh. And she messed up the lyrics. It should've won Best Picture instead of Kramer vs. Kramer, which is what today we would call a Lifetime movie. Did Sandy replace Valerie Harper as Roxie? [quote] Has Donna McKechnie commented? More than anything, I wanted her to like it. You would think CHICAGO would have transferred there with at least Chita recreating her role. In fairness to Reinking, I saw a number of those early companies of A Chorus Line and Donna McKechnie was by far the best of the Cassies. R283 its not totally unheard of at that age but its a little odd - 71 is far from a natural old age where you just die in your sleep. Probably R208 because Reinkings was so embarrassingly bad, heads had to roll. It's a movie with music. She came back as Roxie for a week when everyone, including Marilu Henner, got the flu. They were just being mean to Ginge, r152. Maybe Ann wasnt interested in performing anymore and wanted to choreograph. I saw her at least a dozen times in Chicago over the years, beginning when she replaced Gwen in the original production. Why would Verdon care what happened in Pippin since she wasn't in it? The press was very much in the vein of "the best Cassie since Donna McKechnie" but you certainly can't tell it from that tape. The movie won many Oscar nominations, including a run for Best Picture, the organization said. She's a pistol onstage, but she doesn't have a magnetic presence on screen. Her only other movie roles of note were in John Hustons Annie (1982) in which she was a prim, but delightful, buttoned-up secretary to Albert Finneys philanthropic Warbucks, and in Blake Edwards Micki and Maude (1984), in which she shared her bigamist TV reporter husband (Dudley Moore) with Amy Irvings younger model musician. R119 with Marfan Syndrome it isnt just height. I thought she was going to break the chair in When Velma Takes the Stand. On what grounds, other than the fact that Ann could land a man who actually liked women? Something in her speech too and it looks like she cant move her neck? I didn't even know her yet, but I was already thinking about that.". Did they play "Everybody Loves Leona" at Ms. Helmsley's trial? They should have, she'd have brought the house down. I guess she went to a sunbelt doctor. And starting suicide rumors is really irresponsible. I guess the [italic]Annie[/italic] movie villains won if all the adult protagonists are now deceased. She was cast, became Fosses protegee and partner he was married to, but separated from Verdon until 1978, when she was one of a cast of 16 in Fosses ground-breaking dance revue, Dancin to music of George M Cohan, Cat Stevens and Bach, among others. Maybe This Time wasn't written for Chicago. It was always fun being taught by Ms. Ann. R240 they dont remember the song he sang, really? The spoken "funny" part in the middle isn't. Its not a natural expiration date for the vast majority of people. Bebe was worse. How did Broadway legend Ann Reinking die? Internet bids - MEAWW R425 - did Kaye do her biting the hand bit? I never noticed Ann had a short neck until you guys pointed it out. You know the story of that, right? Was this from a cabaret act? [quote]And, yes, her leaps in Me and My Baby looked like she was in a production of Peter Pan, being lifted by wires. No it didn't. I mean she could have died in her sleep, but chances are she was having some kind of health issues to begin with. This is an audio of the confrontation scene from ACL with Joe Bennett at the big gala. I saw her on Broadway in Chicago - stellar performance. Pam Peadon wound up taking over Cassie in the LA Chorus Line after Leland Palmer bailed after a few performances. I'm surprised to find I'm kind of sad Ann has died. R223 - I never got that vibe from her. Ann Reinking, the Broadway star who played Roxie Hart in the musical "Chicago," has died, her manager Lee Gross confirmed to CNN in an email late Monday. Her acting was so so but her dancing was spectacular. ". I think she was missing that little something special, which she could fake on the stage, but not film or TV. Is Amy Irving next?!". Debbie thinks very highly of herself. According to a National Marfan Foundation press release, Christopher suffers from Marfan Syndrome, a genetic disorder that affects the bodys connective tissue. Fabulous film. I wonder why they went so severe with Annie's look as Roxie for Broadway. Very nice appraisal of Ann by NY Times dance critic. Ann Reinking, the US Broadway actress, dancer and Tony Award-winning choreographer, has died aged 71. Did the Great Livvie's DEAD to Me thread even get to 300 posts? It hit a zeitgeist metaphorical moment of celebrity linked to criminality and, in Reinkings reimagining, exposed Fosses stark, often brutal, choreography as a vibrant language of contemporary theatre, similar to the existential riffs of Pina Bausch on classical dance, and just as sexy. In 2001, after Verdon died, Reinking helped organize a proper Broadway memorial for the four-time Tony-winning Verdon, that was reportedly attended by 1,100 people. Strange how "To Sir With Love" was the biggest selling single of 1967 and it didn't nab an Oscar nomination. Tony-winning choreographer, actress Ann Reinking dies at 71 - WSAW I didn't know that Karen Black cut a version. And fuck were they overplayed back in the day. It was nice that Debbie Allen saluted her as a legend on social media. Her Wikipedia page has been updated saying she died , but whoever did it didn't bother to mention it in the actual article. A lack of star quality is not an acting problem. I never noticed Teresa Giudice had no forehead until you guys pointed it. 'In My Hands': A Film About Life With Marfan Syndrome Kander looked better in the 1990s than in the 1970s. "She was visiting our brother in Washington state when she went to sleep and never woke up. It didn't get good reviews, but being a part of the Roundabout line-up, that didn't matter being not for profit and mostly subscription audiences. R57 has analyzed it well. Although they did pair Ray with Dom DeLuise. There are exceptions. He wanted Sandahl and it turned out to be the right choice. Only if they sent Roxie to the electric chair. RIP. The "Kim Mcafee", Belle Callaway, went on to be one of the better Roxies in the CHICAGO revival. Now ALL the gold digging heauxs know just what to do. Christopher Dean, a dancer and choreographer who teaches Reinkings niece, announced the news of her death on Facebook on Monday, December 13, writing: The lights on Broadway are forever more dim this morning and there is one less star in the sky. Bless his heart. production. What a beautiful dancer she was. Debbie WAS irreplaceable in Sweet Charity. Donna was offended and I think she left. Ann Reinking: Choreographer honored with $5,000 scholarship - USA Today Reinking was 71 years old when she passed. I noticed it again in the Papermill FOLLIES. She wasn't very good. Not sure who the choreographer was. But, then when I looked through her Twitter replies (not just her own tweets), I saw her liking and commenting on a few threads saying she was heartbroken, but needed more time to share her thoughts. I think Carol was getting a special Tony award and decided at the last minute she was going to fly out from San Diego to New York to accept the award in person. No one even remembers what/if Rob Lowe sang. Ann doing her own choreography for Music and the Mirror (Heat Wave section) and it's better than the original though that's not saying a whole lot. In London in 1997, Walter Bobbies production, first starring Ute Lemper and Ruthie Henshall, was a smash hit, running for almost 15 years (at the Adelphi for nine years, then the Cambridge and the Garrick). I'd venture to guess he's one of the few choreographers people who don't follow theatre or dance could name -- not only that -- but people who don't follow the arts can probably identify the look and feel of a Fosse production in a way they probably can't for a Jerome Robbins or Michael Bennett production. She was visiting our brother in Washington state when she went to sleep and never woke up. No damage done. Of course I was new to Manhattan from rural North Carolina and went around with a constant hard on. [quote]I am a fount of useless information. I have a background in ballet, and one thing that jumps out at me is the lack of epaulement which gives the dance a sense of connectivity in movements between upper and lower body. In "Fosse/Verdon," which airs its final episode Tuesday night . Oh no, this is sad news, I always liked her. The audience reaction is always a lot of fun. At the beginning of ATJ, Joe Gideon says he lies all the time. Janie is still with us but that woman doesn't look like Janie. Her voice was just too darn low. [quote] "She had a look on her face, if I remember correctly, of pain," Martin Landau tells THR. And Razzle Dazzle was completely changed but With You stayed as is. AMPAS fucked up not allowing Collins to perform, it was the only year in history that all the nominated songs had gone to number one. Fosse probably said the same thing. She dances like she's in a body cast. Ann Reinking, Tony Award-winner and Broadway star, is dead. She and. Has chanteuse and eternal DL fave Alyson Reed sent her condolences? She married someone else right after that relationship ended, had a baby and got divorced all in the same year. If she had a narrower /more oval or heart shaped face, I think her neck would appear more normal length . Tony Award-winning Broadway legend Ann Reinking, an actor, dancer and choreographer, died on Saturday night in Washington, her sister-in-law Dahrla King told Variety. R385, and it's interesting that on a thread about Reinking, the best dancing done in ATJ was done by another female, Sandahl Bergman. Jennifer Narin Smith who also fucked Bobby is I that Pippin photo with Ann. Belle also understudied Ann in BBB, Stefanie Powers in Applause and Bacall in WOTY tour. When is Jo Anne Worley going to get her documentary, complete with footage from her turn(s) in GYPSY? She always said "pee" not "pay.". and DL Favorite Gretchen Wyler took over. The world will miss Ann so much!! We will miss her more than we can say. Just like Glenn Close singing "With one look I'll be may", Ann Reinking delivered a bizarre reading of her line in "All that Jazz". The majority of the audience got refunds, but it was the only night my family could go and, at 12, I had no idea who Carol even was. She was dead to me when she did this rendition of "Against All Odds". And Bergman's dreadful implants were perfectly cast. Tony award-winning choreographer and the star of broadway Ann Reinking has passed away at the age of 71. Tony-winning legend and dance icon Ann Reinking died on Saturday, family members confirmed to news outlets on Monday. If Reinking was susceptible and died in her sleep from from an aortic aneurysm, her family probably would be reluctant to disclose and cause Reinking's son that much more trauma not only from his mother's death but from the prospect of dying the same way since he has full-fledged Marfan syndrome. Apocalypse Now was the likely winner and for me, Breaking Away was the best of the lot. She also starred in John Hustons Annie in 1982, IMDb continued, writing: Reinking was charming as Grace Farrell, the sympathetic and devoted secretary to grouchy Daddy Warbucks (Albert Finney) in John Hustons Annie (1982), in which she sang the songs I Think Im Gonna Like It Here, We Got Annie and Lets Go To The Movies., IMDb claims her best performance was also in her last film to date in Blake Edwards brilliant 1984 comedy Micki + Maude.. Her cutesy, sitcom take on Roxie perfectly complimented Ruthies hard-bitten Velma. Reinking was by then retired, living in Phoenix, Arizona. Her manager, Lee Gross, confirmed her death to the Associated Press. Anyone have any video of "Mary Sunshine's" reveal in Chicago (preferably the revival). One of the producers, Bernie Jacobs of the Shubert organisation, wanted to tone that show down. It was short and blonde. I JUST READ ON ANOTHER THREAD THAT KURT WEILL IS DEAD TOO! With so few stars left in New York, you're stuck with Ann Reinking, Interview after release of "Annie". Did you know Fosse tried to pimp Sandahl out to David Begelman in an attempt to get more money for the movie. The Project also notes that it has been associated with the Kennedy Center American College Theatre Festival in Region 1, since 2012., READ NEXT: Family Kicked Off United Flight After 2-Year-Old Refuses to Wear Mask, Ann Reinking Dead: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. That's the problem that she faces and that Zach faces. But it is a problem that plagues A Chorus Line. That guy is a hack. Loved her. Beautiful, amazing dancer, and not a bad actress at all. (1974), Goodtime Charley (1975), Chicago (1977), Dancin' (1978), and Sweet Charity (1986). She had this air about her that made one think shed demand to be called Ahn. You hold it for a few seconds then go back into your dance and repeat the manoeuvre several times in the same razzle-dazzle number. What fucking kind of voice was Ann doing? Nine Roxies and Reinking is one of the worst. Someone posted this on All That Chat. Playbill refers to BTP as the worlds most prestigious musical theatre arts education program for high school and college students,' the website says. If you ever saw Ebb perform, you knew it immediately. And her characterisation became so heavy handed. Tony Award-winning Broadway actress Ann Reinking passed away on Saturday at the age of 71. What about Jane Powell? Ann Reinking in, All That Jazz (1979) Directed by Bob Fosse pic.twitter.com/cfCVCmVSMm, Skip Bolden (@skipbolden) December 15, 2020. Ended up in the sitcom 227. Her sister-in-law Dahrla King confirmed the news to Variety on Monday. According to the NYT and the Daily Mail, Reinking is dead. [quote]Tim Curry had a massive stroke several years ago - only in his 60s. She worked predominantly in musical theater, starring in Broadway productions such as Coco (1969), Over Here! Nothing you wrote surprises me. [quote]Take Off With Us/Airotica is the most stunning musical number ever captured on film. Born in Seattle, Reinking trained in ballet, but ended up in the chorus lines of many musicals, including Cabaret and Pippin. I saw Reinking as Cassie. It's so true. Dance instructor Christopher Dean broke the news of Reinking's death on Monday. [quote]Writing this now and thinking of Karen's Tony winning turn in Contact and the lovely job Charlotte did replacing her, it makes me wish that Ann had come out of retirement to play the Wife. Ann was fire. Not a vegetable but permanently disabled /in a wheelchair. Ann said there was a misunderstanding. Erzsebet still has a red mark on her cheek to this day, r365and the nightmares "Everybody Loves Leona" is one of the worst songs Sondheim ever wrote. God, I loved New York in the 70s. Or she had little idea about styling. Like did she hang with Chita, Rita, Bernadette, Bebe, et al? Ann Reinking, who helped preserve Fosse's legacy and signature choreographic styleincluding through choreographing and starring in the long-running revival of Chicagohas died at the age of 71. Reinking's family said. With Tommy Tune. Was Ann ever in the running? If Ann had a thing about her torso, would she consent to have such a high waisted skirt? But somehow, Denice Williams and Ray Parker Jr didn't wind up getting the memo. [quote] Was Fosse not interested in London? Fosse/Verdon : Inside Ann Reinking and Gwen Verdon's - Vanity Fair What if they had gotten Ann Wilson instead? I saw her photo in the NYT last night, and before I even read the headline, my stomach dropped. Who was Ann Reinking and what was her cause of death? Did anyone here see Leland in one of those five performances? Kim was Susan Egan. Nor is her voice or vocal style distinctive. I actually know someone whose father did this fairly recently - although he went to a clinic in Switzerland to do it. The best she could do was replace Debbie Allen in "Sweet Charity"? Ann understudied Jill Clayburgh as Catherine but not sure if she ever went on. Heaven has the best choreographer available now. But Reinking's singing wasn't overrated, it was a well known joke. It was throaty and boozy and "been around the block," but also childlike and vivaciouslike an old barmaid had just snorted a whole package of pixie sticks. Annie, we will love and miss you always!!!". Wig-wearing is/was commonplace on stage, r321 [Quote] I love Lenora but by the time I saw her in Chicago she had put on quite a bit of weight. Didn't Janie Sell end up in real estate, or as a paralegal or a legal secretary? I always thought it was her dance partner John Mineo but someone else told me it was his understudy. I saw Reinking do Cassie. Take a look at R143, Ann's son Chris has Marfan's and Ann was very involved in the Marfan Foundation. It was an enormous privilege to see Gwen Verdon dance on stage in CHICAGO. She's not expressionless. [quote][R243] he means the Snow White from the Oscars. Are you still involved in dance either professionally or in an amateur manner? Sandy Duncan is in the 9 Roxies compilation above. site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, Verdon was visiting her daughter (whose husband had been killed the week prior) in Vermont. As long as they made all her Gypsy costumes with v-necks, r195. Reinking is actually pronounced as Ranking. Her other Broadway roles included Sweet Charity, Over Here! But Herbert still took care of her financially. The storytelling is done in an almost subconscious way, where the vignettes simply wash over you, but you never leave the film feeling like you didn't get a full perspective of Joel Gideon/Fosse's life. We're discussing Miss Reinking. Should have been a star. R446, oh you poor ignorant slut. "It wasn't her fault," recalls Landau. She won the Featured Actress Tony for Over Here!, right? She's since shared some thoughts on Twitter. I think Gavin McInnes is just fucking with the gays. And Jenny Logan has zero presence. Reinking had to audition, was that just to humiliate her, or was Fosse actually seeing actresses for the part? Snow White is still an icon and Rob Lowe has worked consistently. Ann Reinking, Dancer-Turned-Tony-Winning-Choreographer and - Playbill Good post r93. Getty RIP. Wow, R28. N.C. OCME Data and Annual Reports. Olympic Ballet perhaps? Exactly who dropped Ann on her head during Over Here. [quote] "Everybody Loves Leona" is one of the worst songs Sondheim ever wrote. "All That Jazz" isn't a musical. (One of her brothers, Bob, later ran PJs Grill and Bar in Covent Garden, a favourite haunt of actors and producers.) "I was really nervous because I wanted to do right by her," Qualley told IndieWire of the experience. As I said, don't try to match up every incident and character with real life. Opening with Ruthie Henshall and Ute Lemper in the leads, It was a huge hit. It was a prophetic statement considering that her disastrous performance at the Oscars would be only a few months away. Teri Garrs opening act (also sometime in the 80s) was pretty fucking embarrassing and Im sure she wished she hadnt done it, but it obviously didnt. Reinking co-starred as Roxie Hart along with Neuwirth's Velma, and created the choreography "in the style of Bob Fosse," the show's original director and choreographer who died in 1987. so it looked like Flo was a replacement rather than going on for absent Carol. Women who married really well back then a lot of them hadnt caught on that you pop out kids right away. That relationship was a pivotal plot line though somewhat fictionalized in FX's recent limited series production, Fosse/Verdon. (modern). Ooh-ooh." Ann Reinking, a dancer, actor and Tony Award-winning choreographer who performed for three decades on Broadway, where she was known for her long association with Bob Fosse and his work, died on. moment. The singing was absolutely jarring down in the basement, but not so much in "The Music and the Mirror" - the place you really noticed it was "Hello Twelve, Hello Thirteen" where Donna had all those high notes ("Am I your friend, am I your friend, am I your very favorite friend?" I like the mamas family version of everything old is new again. And there was an incident in Chicago that was similar. I saw Antonia Ellis in that replacement cast of Pippin. Ann Reinking obituary | Broadway | The Guardian To be honest, I think Donna McKechnie has a church lady voice, so I've never been primed to care about Cassie's singing. New York, UPDATED: Dec 15, 2020 12:59 IST. Girls, girls, you're both wrong. Ann Reinking, pictured holding her Tony Award for best choreography for the musical Chicago in 1997, died on Saturday, her family said in a statement. Tommy wanted Twiggy after working with her in The Boyfriend. Annie also did that alleged voice coach method of saying "Meh", not "Me" in "Sweet Charity". Shes gone so lets celebrate her life and contributions. Ann Reinking, Broadway star who played Roxie Hart in 'Chicago,' dies at She left "Two on the Aisle" out of town because of it. The angels are all singing We got Annie!!. Needless to say, Kaye sang it much more butch than Fred. Pamela Peadon replaced Debbie Reynolds in Irene? I heard different stories. Ann Reinking - Wikipedia Chita and Lenora must be quaking in their pumps! It wasn't until the Broadway revival of "Chicago" went to London in 1997 that the West End finally got a semblance of Fosse's "Chicago." There was a nice New Yorker piece last year on Reinking and Fosse's relationship, Variety confirms it after getting confirmation from two sources close to Ann Reinking. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. He survives her, along with her son, Christopher, and six siblings: Richard, Robert, James, Jeffrey, Helen and Daniel. Chicago curse! Not some frau who looks like she's playing dress up at a gay bar. Imagine the direction her career would have gone in had she made the cut for Threes Company or Charlies Angels. With all due respect to Ann Reinking, that Oscar performance was not one of her best. If Lenora Nemetz had what it takes to be a star, she would not have let them costume her thigh like that. According to Wikipedia, Reinking is still kicking. R413, EVERYONE wanted Fosse to change Razzle Dazzle. When I revisited some clips of Ann Reinking after I watched "Fosse/Verdon," I was very impressed by her precise and expressive port de bras, those LEGS, and her midsection movements/isolations. R132 things that cannot be done on Tik Tok. Not overly muscular like so many of them are today. Someone just posted this. I know right, must be the time of year or length of the pandemic, threads be going off the rails everywhere. If you watch it carefully, the Bobby character is the only sympathetic one in the whole thing, it's other people always doing to HIM: underestimating him, cheating on him, trying to take the show away from him, etc. I only knew of Reinking from Annie and All That Jazz. He thought Fosse directed the broadway production of Cabaret? Ann Reinking, the Tony Award-winning choreographer, actress and Bob Fosse collaborator who helped spread a cool, muscular hybrid of jazz and burlesque movement to Broadway and beyond, has died . R87, that somewhat proves the point. I wish I could dance as "stiffly" as Annie. Her stance in the line was with her arms behind her back. Not just that her dancing was better, but her star burned a lot brighter. Except it turned out not to be, r301. Maybe we crossed paths. If you can't find the email you can resend it here. Bonnie flunked her audition for the Ann Reinking role when she slapped the child. Ann Reinking (Getty Images) Broadway legend and Tony Award winner Ann Reinking, who was a known actor, dancer and choreographer, took her last breath at the age of 71, on Saturday, December 12 in Washington, her sister-in-law Dahrla King told Variety. Saying Reinking's singing is overrated is like saying Carol Channing's singing was overrated or Elaine Stritch's. In the years since, Reinking. Fred doing Ring Them Bells. I thought similarly about Ruthie Henshall when she returned to the show not long after having a baby. [quote] The Wikipedia page also states her "years active" as 1962-present. Surely praising d'Amboise makes that poster's opinion moot. It was winter and a few of the other dancers added sweaters and long sleeved sweatshirts to their costumes. R276, must you people insist on bringing Meghan Markle into every thread? She could easily have played someone with abilities. The host also thought Lenya was playing Sally Bowles in CABARET. Nobody did this better than Ann Reinking, muse and partner of the great choreographer Bob Fosse. Sensing bright lights and stardom, Robert Joffrey advised her to try Broadway. After her debut in Cabaret, she danced in the chorus of Coco (1969) by Alan J Lerner and Andr Previn, starring Katharine Hepburn as Coco Chanel; and in a famous flop, Wild and Wonderful (wet, windy, tame, terrible and wretched were some of the kinder critical epithets) where she met the actor Larry Small, whom she married in 1972. She's terrible. It takes only takes one look at Reinking on stage to understand how spectacular her talent was (via Youtube ). Chita is truly the last one standing. Ann Reinking died on Saturday (December 12) while visiting family in Seattle. R196 - not at all. I remember a 13 year-old patient that I had years ago who was lanky but not abnormally so. "Those stage & move people got there because they're special" etc). It was a mistake to put it back in for Pasadena. The cause was not yet known. i meant Cabaret above, of course, not Chicago, about Maybe This Time. Maybe she helped inspired Tits and Ass. She was way overrated, her looks were overrated, her dancing was overrated and her singing was definitely overrated. She was 71. I won't have that chorus girl in my house! Ann Reinking, the Tony-winning actress, singer, dancer, and choreographer, died Saturday at 71. I saw Sandy and Ruthie in Chicago and previously had seen Bebe/Ann (and later Amy Spanger as Roxie, dont remember who was Velma). Wait a minute. Ann Reinking was a top? Into that two-person minefield stepped Reinking, a sinewy young dancer who became Fosse's protge, muse, and girlfriend. "When I stand here taking every breath with you. But there, the shoulders make her look like a linebacker. Michael O'Haughey was the poor man's Spring Byington. A mainstay in Broadway musicals for decades, Reinking was both a muse and lover to Fosse. Reinking died in her. Why is her family so ashamed of her death they won't release the cause? The other Cassies that I saw did all the steps, but absolutely - including Reinking - were perfectly fine for a job in the chorus. R418 - what a fun clip. Bebe never really had original Fosse choreography created on her. The alleged Donna beef happened when Donna was asked to audition for Chicago and when she showed up Ann wasnt there (after she was told she would be). I don't know if it was a result of the broken back she suffered in Over Here, but she had no fluidity in her upper body. Obviously Sandy Duncan did it later. Its her very square jaw (which got much jowlier as she aged, since she didnt have a face lift) that I think makes her look like she has no neck.

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