When will you respond those? We have no affiliation with the Diocese of Cleveland. What of the many miracles and increased devotion so many experienced at the site? Pray for our bishops, wont you? It is clear to me that you are sincerely searching for the truth, and that you in no way harbor contemptuous mockery in your heart toward those who have found spiritual strength and guidance at Holy Love Ministries. ( I know you are anxious to find some error in what I am saying, but get a hold of yourself. I think theres a few things going on here with this person. When the Church wants to speak definitely, she does so. The bishop warned people not to go there. I found all my references on the orhtodox website, Catholic Apologetics, which can be googled on the internet. The above alone constitutes sufficient evidence for the constat de non supernaturalitate judgment of Bishop Lennon. WORDING IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT IN CANONMICAL DOCUMENTS. Finally, you assume that since God has never done before what He is doing at HLM, it is proof that he would not do it ever. Hi Pat, Elizabeth, Our Blessed Mother at HLM had every right to do what she did. Our free will gives us the power to allow grace to flow into us THROUGH Mary, or prevent that grace from flowing into us THROUGH Mary. Let me quote again from Catholic Apologetics: Is not fidelity to the true teaching of the Church to be given. In the case of this particular apparition, no legitimate investigation was ever done. The graces are always here despite controversies fanned by falsehoods. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven (Matt. No,Harry, I do not need to dig for dirt, the dirt is obvious for all to see. Since he does not forbid it, people can therefore go and it also means HLM is not condemned.. What in the world are YOU talking about? Mother Teresa was in a diocese once where the bishop insisted that she and her sisters sit after receiving Holy Communion. I have asked repeatedly in the on line conversation, following your article, for others to give to me one line from the messagesjust one linethat contradicts the full teaching of the Catholic Faith. It did not. You admitted you do not know where Lennon stands on those issues and yet you insinuate he is a corrupt bishop and thus HLM has the right to get out of his jurisdiction. . I did. If the messages drew people closer to Christ and His Blessed Mother, how could they be false? He and a partner formed a corporation and bought hundreds of acres of land through donations. My point was that 3221 is throwing things out as fact, without confirming and verifying such. Sin is to use our free will to violate what God wants. They know what the Faith is, but soon God will bring them to Heaven. If it did not, I would return home and continue to practice my faith. Aquinas: On the contrary, (Hebrews 13:17) obey your prelates and be subject to them. (Question 104 Obedience, Article 1). We must be vigilant always. The growth of this appiration site is truly a miracle in this day and age. So, be cautious and pray to the Holy Spirit to give you discernment. My strength and my courage is the Lord, and he has been my savior. (Isaiah 12:2). The fullness of Truth is found within the Catholic Church, which Jesus founded upon the rock of Peter upon it the gates of hell will never prevail. None, 3221, none at all. After the above comes specific rulings in 4 parts (conveniently numbered): 1) Lennon declares Sweeney-Kyles claims to be not supernatural in origin. The words were cleverly chosen. Look at all the approved apparitions throughout the centuries. ..Jesus would embrace this Mission and would never discourage people from coming here to pray. If that isnt the Evil One at work, I dont know what is. While the genuine theologian attempts to develop and complement and unfold biblical and ecclesial teaching, he does not reject it. This is why we have a Church where only 20% or so believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Will you gain fruits if you are obedient to the bishop, whether he is wrong or not? People bring their holiness with them, so prayers and love of God is usually present. Does he speak out forcefully on life issues? "Consider how Divine Love and Holy Love made Their Wills one with the Eternal Father. From EWTN document PRIVATE REVELATIONS AND DISCERNMENT OF SPIRITS: The objection will be raised: The Church was so slow in approving Fatima, and so people lost so many graces while waiting. As I searched the Code (and the Pastoral Companion to the Code), I was wracking my brain trying to figure out how it might be listed. Or Jesus and Mary incessantly talk about U.S. politics, politicians, who to vote for, applauding various election outcomes. Three bishops have approved of it. His judgement is NOT the definitive Voice of the Church. So much so that when one such person DOES fulfill his office, the immediate outcry arises from a cancer that lays below. There are priests, bishops even Cardinals including nuns who promote abortion. I figured that the tens of thousands of pilgrims in Fatima who witnessed the spinning of the sun and had their soaked clothing dried in an instant when the Blessed Mother appeared as predicted had less to go on than we did. industry and mothers considering abortion.". Holy Love Ministries is an ecumenical lay apostolate committed to living and propagating the Holy Love, Divine Love and United Hearts messages. You do not know what God would do. I am willing to bet neither can you. This Page runs by volunteer MSHLs in order to spread the messages from the Heaven that given to a vi Holy Love Ministry | North Ridgeville OH I wish to look at the facts of HLMs case in syllogistic fashion. When one resorts to name calling, it is a clear sign of hostility aimed at ones opponent. I finally had enough and decided to sit back and just read the comments others make, such as yourself, as you continue trying the impregnate the wall of resistance. i believe there were over a hundred clergy in non holy relationships for many yrs and overlooked by whom.??? Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. This was an administrative action, which does not take away from his authority (and his mission to preach, teach and sanctify) to issue a pronouncement on the authenticity of visions/apparitions. And, when will it be out? Look it up in the CCC. These are my answers to your points about which you claim that HLM is in error. If there was initial skepticism and resistance, God ultimately overcame it. Leave it alone. Joan of Arc was condemned by bishops who told her to renounce her visions. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Being part of a sea of people, all praying the rosary and loving God and His mother, is uplifting to say the least. Say what you will, the Church has historically given mystics a very hard time, those who are now known as saints, and sites of miracles. Who should God Himself obey if He has no superiors? A trip to the confessional is not a bad thing either. It apparently also makes some Catholics so prideful that theyve decided they know better than the Church, i.e. This means that pious souls who would be repulsed by crude materialistic greed think nothing of being greedy to know revelations and prophecies. An admonishment is not an act of condemnation, nor does it indicate disobedience. Holy Love is the fulfillment of Truth - the embodiment of all the Commandments. Well we are in the middle of 2015 and there has been nothing. Often genuine sites that are later approved by the Church are frowned upon by the bishop under which they serve. I just got those beads myself. 4) An HLM organization may not use the name Catholic and is not approved by Lennon. People can follow Sweeny-Kyle or the Church, but not both. The messages also portray the Father as saying that He (the Father) is the Holy Spirit: "I am that True Holy Spirit" (God The Father, March 5, 2010). What are the names of these bishops? Refuse to gossip or speak negatively about anyone, ever (Ephesians 4:29). I begin to see much more clearly the pernicious vice that has heretofore arisen in this discussion. The burden of proof is upon you, not me. This is a gossip piece with nothing related to the doctrine of the Catholic Church or its Scriptural interpretation. The organization has been at odds with the Catholic Church almost from the start. Youre welcome! Go and find out the truth for yourselves. Come, Lord Jesus! Christ was a man [human] like us in all things but sin. My question to you about obeying the bishopno matter what is to put before you where your blindness is going to lead you. 3) Therefore, Sweeney-Kyle must obey the decision of the competent ecclesiastical authorities (remember, both Lennon and the Holy See were involved in this matter). Whew! Did it say to submit to heretical bishops? The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, always looks below the surface because all that glitters isnt gold and regardless of how many people visit or how many statues are erected or rosaries said, it does not constitute proof in the Churchs judgment. Please join us there, if you havent already. I do not know where you are getting your theological understandings from, LizEst, but they are all mixed up. I know my Catholic faith. God warns us about judging others and I think he means it. Find me one misleading thing in any of her messages she has written that shows the Devil is trying to win over people and take them out and away from the church. Again, Catholic obedience must always be to the Faith. Today, I have come to ask your total detachment from the opinions of others. I just read in the Summa Theologica that disobedience is right when a church authority is teaching heresy. Our destiny is in our own hands. Kind of frightening. You are presenting one of his objections as the conclusion (Therefore, a Superior is not to be obeyed in all things). No one at the Vatican has in any way accused Medjugorie followers of being disobedient even though they continued to follow Medjugorie despite Bishop Zanics disapproval of it. Are the Holy Love messages necessary for salvation? 1) Maureen Sweeney-Kyle professes the Catholic faith. Patti and her husband, Mark, live in North Dakota, where they raised their 10 children. I pray for friends of mine that also are addicted to the place and see nothing odd, no internal warnings at all, let alone disobeying the Bishop. God can use all things for good. Such is the case with Holy Love. So, instead, the devil uses a Catholic facade to lure them in. Now Rome is evaluating Medjugorie. I think it is important to note that in all Marian apparitions ultimately approved, Mary never undermined Church authority and always told visionaries to obey. As to the annulment, it is none of our business whether or not she got a declaration of nullity, a declaration of invalidity or whatever. Or, disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. Anyone who goes to HLM is not disobedient. @LizEst:disqus, I was referring to the form of the document. If I believed Bishop Lennon is a corrupt bishop I would have said so. Demons can do a pretty good job of imitating the good and the holy. On the contrary, my statement was quite loaded with theological references. I lost my father to this place simply because the visionary and other devoted followers made him feel special and important. Jesus said to test the spirits, but not all are bad. This explicitly negative judgment is a definitive God is not the source of this claim.. How is it possible, if HLM is an ecumenical group, to teach CATHOLIC doctrine and not be under the local Ordinary? It sought approval through official channels for several years, but instead, in 1999, the Catholic diocese issued a statement urging extreme caution. Lots of praise from Jesus and the Blessed Mother is heaped on those who attend Holy Love as being the remnant faithful, the special ones, fighting the good fight against the wicked Church, priests and bishops in these dark times. What? El sitio rcspiritualdirection.com fue fundado por Dan Burke, quien trabaja para EWTN y es director ejecutivo del National Catholic Register (periodico de EWTN). Holy Love Ministry | North Ridgeville OH We dont redeem ourselves. In the end, the type of people who go to apparition sites are not necessarily nave or foolish. my healing started in medjugorje the last week of the marian yr in 88, the finger of the lord touched my soul and the divine mercy devotion gave me the courage to face my sinfullness yrs later. The math simply doesnt add up! Let this knowledge and call guide your free will choices You cannot redefine My Commandments to suit your lifestyle When My Justice comes it will be swift and complete No ecclesiastic has the right to water it down, to distort it, to misinterpret it,purposely or otherwise. I have seen nothing wrong and feel very peaceful there. reported that Kyle responded to Lennons decree by stating, https://catholicexchange.com/2006/11/06/94475/, The Real Marie Antoinette | feat. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. And from our Lord himself on Nov. 13, 2009: My brothers and sisters, tonight confusion may have entered your hearts concerning certain statements from the diocese. I do not think in those terms, and so my use of the word was totally innocent.. Stop judging those who do not heed it. The only true division is good and evil. The writings of HLM are totally reasonable. 3221, you are right. Sometimes you just might be surprised on what your heart will tell you and what may or may not be false. In the past ten years I have been there twice. This is a fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church. 18: 17-18). Unfortunately, those have cultish devotion to things like HLM tend to brook no logic. He speaks through His Church. If the bishop says dont, have enough respect for him to obey. Christ DEPENDS on us to be His Hands, His Voice, His Presence in this world that needs Him so much. He who hears you hears Me.. I would point out a little known text entitled, Faith is Greater than Obedience by Fr. And the pilgrims are indeed coming even from other countries. Or were they frauds who gave only an outward appearance of religious devotion? Even the messages contradict themselves! and was not very well in many ways. That approval/disapproval belongs to the Bishop of the Diocese in which HLM is, in this case Bishop Lennon. I tell you again,I have backed up all the points you listed about HLM messages with sound and clear Catholic doctrine . Help me to be Your instrument in the world. One of my former theology professors at Notre Dame also endorses the messages. I dont see the point you might be trying to make by posing that question. What is your point in quoting all these excerpts from the Gospel? Every Catholic already can be in the presence of God before the tabernacle at their church and even receive Him in Holy Communion. Another person said that her fallen-away Catholic friend that once ridiculed the site became a believer. So he abandoned the responsibilities of his vocation, fatherhood, and took on these other responsibilities. Rather than allow such disappointment to derail them, they can instead take a big step closer to God. They are not under obligation to heed his advisement, unless the site is officially condemned by the Church. You are in trouble if you think that obedience to heresy is of God. Dis you read yet my comments a little bit above from this entry regarding your examples of heresy at HLM? You would be an excellent addition. (5)The door to the soul is free will. Thanks Kevin. Mary you are so mixed up. Many Catholics wishing to promote alleged or unapproved private revelations use a maxim to justify their position. I received a booklet with them and that is when i saw these so called messages. Initially, not all were ready to condemn Marino. After all, if Jesus died for His Church, would He now send His Mother work around it? The words were cleverly chosen. Remember, BISHOPS CONDEMNED Joan of Arc. All would be wise to remember those words. Graciously, the Holy Spirit granted me the wisdom to recognize that places are not the source of my faith nor do I rely on them but rather I approached in much the same non-committal demeanor as you with a prudent hope. Satan will disguise himself as an angel of light-perhaps from scripture? It was officially approved on December 8, 2010. http://www.shrineofourladyofgoodhelp.com/htmPages/g_hst_p3.html. The Devil Cannot Condemn You: How to Kill Accusations with Conviction Thank you for posting that. (11/27/12-ST. JOAN OF ARC) Do you tink that pleased God? If there is state it SPECIFICALLY, okay???? Messages - Holy Love All rights reserved. It is called bitterness. Therese of Lisieux ((Doctor of the Church) told her novices Pick up a pin and save a soul. I understand this sort of devotion although Im much more cautious these days. Tell me, was Mother Teresa disobedient? Again, Bishop Lennon does not have canonical authority to condemn something if there is no matter of condemnation. To be repulsed by Holy Love Ministries is to be repulsed by the true doctrine of the Catholic Faith. It is what it is. My loyalty and obedience is to God first. It was a strange experience overall. Holy Love is teaching what the bishops should be teaching. Padre pio asked why and Jesus turned and looked at his priests who were not tending the flock as they should. People, please do the research. After the Bishops decree, I felt compelled to appeal to all Holy Love followers, to accept the fact that the Church has the authority to condemn this site. This is a sin. Grace and virtue dont flow from the Blessed Virgin Mary through our own free will. He too advised people against going there. The decree, issued by the diocese, was issued at the sole discretion and discernment (opinion) of Bishop Lennon and one unnamed "expert". These are people willing to travel great distances and do whatever else it takes to bask in love and graces from heaven. And, furthermore, this directly contradicts the 7/29/93 message above from Our Lady! (cf CCC 1464, 1468, 736, 1832, Galatians 5:22-23 Vulgate). Does he have serious concerns about the pro-homosexual movement alive and well in his diocese? HLM is NOT at all in error.The mystical theology pouring out of HLM is an exquisite explanation and delineation of the deepest mystical theology of the Catholic Church. I will encourage people to go. The silence they are effecting when they should proclaim loudly the teachings of the Church speaks clearly of the lack of support fo the Holy Father and his magisterium. Bishop Lenon might have a hidden agenda. Some just cannot get their facts straight! I would have loved to have witnessed something like the pilgrims at Fatima did, but really, I do not need it. Apparitions of the Virgin Mary and Jesus - Catholic Planet My reaction to that would of course be disagreement for what should be the obvious reason that a statement such as that is completely contradictory to Church teaching through the millenia, and can be looked up easily by opening ones Catechism, or childs Catechism, for that matter. follow with Christian obedience those things which the sacred pastors, inasmuch In the Mystical Theology of St. John of the Cross (Doctor of Mystical Theology of the Catholic Church) he explains that in mystical union with God, the soul becomes God and God becomes the soul. There are bishops and mystical theologians who say HLM is profound theology. Disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. NO legitimate apparition in the history of the Catholic Church has EVER told/ordered/directed someone to go outside of the authority of the Church in order to make itself known. I am writing again about Holy Love because some followers contacted me regarding my article of 11/20/09 (reproduced below), Proclamation on Holy Love Will Test Hearts and Obedience. This in an age when the authentic doctrine of the Catholic Church is slowly dying out, when two generations of Catholics have been deprived of the true doctrine and knowledge that is the Revelation of the Word of God, our Savior Jesus Christ. Now it is out of the committees hands and being investigated by the Vatican itself. Does Bishop Lennon have serious concerns about the Catholic churches he unjustly closed, replete with canon law abuses so egregious that Rome overrode his decisions and rebuked him sharply? May we have the citation for that quote from St. Catherine of Siena please? The remnant are those who adhere to the Holy Eucharist, adoration, the Magisterium, the rosary. Since Holy Love moved to their latest location in Elyria, Oh. The relevance of Merdjugorie to HLM is that the local bishop of Medjugorie DISAPPROVED of it as did Bishop Lennon of HLM. Those at Holy Love Ministries have openly rejected it. September 30, 2021 / a soul. Or, disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. The faithful have been admonished not to go to HLM. As a suggestion for you to decide for yourselves on? Finally, by end of 2014, the world will know the truth about a great many things and will recognize that the Holy Love apparitions are in fact authentic. Insinuations have been made, and without one shred of proof. The question now is, will those that were enthralled with this Shrine, accept Church authority or continue to follow a ministry that has officially been condemned? Do not be tricked into overlooking the abundant harvest of grace here. So, instead, the devil uses a Catholic facade to lure them in. His rhetoric is very specific and unique; it is easy to recognize. My reference is the newspaper,The Wanderer I do not know which issue, butif you contact them I am sure they can hjelp yo locate the correct issue. Wish my parish would be so eager to do this. But until then, we just have to be patient. Like any mother, I long to tend to the needs of My children. I am proving, however, that we shouldnever say never. PDF The Ten Commandments - Holy Love The messages quoted by Jesus, Mary, and St. Joan of Arc seem to have really taken hold of this person (and so many others). Look it up in the dictionary. Bishop Lennon certainly is not infallible given the Vaticans reversal of his improper practice of closing certain parishes. 9/3/93 from Our Lady: My little messenger, what I most wish to convey to you is how much Jesus Primacy of conscience trumps blindly following disobedient bishops. You do realize, dont you, that this is exactly the same reasoning used by those who claim the right to reject certain teachings of the Church. Were they standing with truth? Been there. Barrier tags: condemnation , condemning , judgmental , prejudging 20 likes Like Apparitions at Holy Love Ministries Revisited : Catholic Lane In preventing the faithful from going there, he is thwarting the spread of the true Faith in an age where there are few places to get it. This is the personal judgement of one bishop,and so he warns (read gently urges. Albert Drexel to help you comprehend this idea. He cannot act in us unless we give Him our free will choice to do so. Doctrinal fidelity as a mark of authenticity is sometimes an obvious sign, sometimes not so obvious. Am also not responding to a number that shall go nameless! You are fixated on your belief that those who do not heed Bishop Lennons advisement (another synonym for admonishment) are therefore disobedient. Reverend Gary Yanus, Judicial Vicar of the Cleveland Diocese, in his correspondence to you, made reference to Canon 223, which speaks of taking into account the common good of the Church and the obligation of ecclesiastical authority, in view of the common good, to regulate the exercise of the rights of the faithful . (Canon 223) The common good of the faithful would be protecting any distortion in doctrine, any break in Tradition, or any false interpretations of the Sacred Scriptures. God the Father is spirit and God the Holy Spirit is spirit. Thank you so much Kevin. Will you be seeking an Imprimatur and a Nihil obstat? Apparitions at Holy Love Ministries Revisited. attitude. In all the various approved apparitions throughout the centuries, does the Blessed Mother or Jesus talk of worldly events, the economy, politicians and the U.S. economy? He provides a link to the following story that you might find interesting: http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/blessed-other/Content?oid=1472603. You are all mixed up big time. The bishops office of the diocese of Cleveland cautions anyone considering donations to the center. 8/30/93 from Jesus: The door to the soul is free will. Nobody claims to be gods here. I had heard of this before. Thanks. It is just that simple. But now the line has been drawn. Loyalty to Christ means loyalty to the fullness of the Faith in its pristine splendor. Just wait an you will see, No one is denying their right to follow their conscience. When in the history of the Catholic Church have approved apparitions consisted of a Blessed Mother going freestyle outside the Church? Youre actually using a theology professor at Notre Dame as an endorsement of an apparition site that has been condemned by a Bishop of the Catholic Church? This is why Jesus says that our free will is the door to our souls. Holy Love Ministries responded saying that Bishop Lennon's words were not to be heeded. False prophets are among us. Holy Love Messages and Prophecies - Jesus & Maria Site Trudging along two miles of country road in Kettle River, Minnesota, I shifted the back carrier which held my three-year-old son. They offered all punishment as a sacrifice for the salvation of souls in the Heart of the World. Did you see my note above on Mary Divine Mercy or MDM that some HLM devotees are now also gravitating towards. "Heavenly Father, today, I surrender to You my heart. Frankly, the bishops have failed miserably in leading the souls of this country to our beautiful God. Good luck with your efforts here. It has never been the Churchs position that the Blessed Virgin Mary needs our prayers. I just read the I took a quick look at your blog. He backed down. Your name kind of rings a bell. I do not often agree with Ron Conte over on Catholic Planet, but he does have a reference page on his site concerning Maureen Sweeney-Kyle and HLM. The apparitions/visions to Maureen have been ongoing almost daily for 25+ years. Wow, is that ever an expose! Condemnation Quotes (91 quotes) - Goodreads Zanics decision according to the Vatican, was not definitive in any way. Ive not heard anything about this. HLM attackes the Church??? Doing so is not leading souls away from salvation, as some suggested. Would you add to your intentions, please, that 3221 refrain from using such vulgar language as 3221 used above Let me tell you something else, Kevin, while you are d_______ with proper canonical procedure? In Marinos case, I later learned that he got involved in a worldwide movement built around Medjugorje and tried to use that connection to make Kettle River a major Marian shrine. Now you prove to the contrary and Ill continue discussing with you on this point. That is exactly what it is. Catechesis in the American Church are heretical and distorted. And they are, so they have mortal sin in their body and soul. As St. Thomas says, Those who obey in excess are headed for a great fall.. @denis: Well yes, of course Ive heard of Joan of Arc. You ask, Patti, When in the history of the Church has the Blessed Mother operated outside of the Church? Well, I ask you, When in the history of the Church has the institutional hierarchy so failed to teach and preserve the Faith that 70% of Catholics neither go to Mass nor understand the Real Presence Jesus in the Holy Eucharist? When one grasps the heresy and corruption riddling the American Church as it is called today, one can well understand Our Mothers defense of the true Faith by circumventing that corruption through a perfectly legitimate canonical move. As regarding any priests or Bishops who have been going to the site, do you suppose that Bishop Lennons words to them are vague and ambiguous also.forbid members of the clergy of any ecclesiastical jurisdiction to celebrate the sacraments on the site of Holy Love Ministries? If you are a fruit of Holy Love and are now slamming the Popes, I rest my point. For this reason, in preparation for writing to you, I did some research on the Catholic understanding of teh virtue of obedience. We now live in a world where Catholic Bishops and Priests rarely if ever publicly condemn sin. Someone said that such compelling evidence of positive fruits proves this is from God. I prayed that I believe and am not looking for a miracle but help those who dont believe.

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